Indian baby born in the US - please share your experiences

[tamtom]

We are looking for other people in the same situation as ourselves to join together and discuss the following problem.

We have a baby daughter recently born in the US. One parent is an Indian citizen. So, the baby is entitled to Indian citizenship by descent and we have got her an Indian passport.

Now we want to travel to India with our baby. The problem is the US still considers her a US citizen (because of her birth in the US), and so US will ask us to get her a US passport for departure from and entry to the US. This is true even though we tell them that she is an Indian citizen and we prefer for her to travel on her Indian passport.

If we do get her a US passport, this will make her lose Indian citizenship. Then it will be very difficult for her to reaquire Indian citizenship during her childhood, because to do so, she will have to renounce US citizenship and US will only recognize that after she is of mature age.

Does anyone else have experience with this problem? If so, please reply to us (either on the forum or by sending us a private message) so we can share our experiences and information together.

Thanks,

Tamtom

[Nishant]

Getting a US passport will make your daughter eligeble for OCI and is most preferred way of maintaining dual citizenship.

Use US passport for leaving and entering US and use OCI passport for entering and leaving India.

[tamtom]

Getting a US passport will make your daughter eligeble for OCI and is most preferred way of maintaining dual citizenship.

Use US passport for leaving and entering US and use OCI passport for entering and leaving India.

Nishant,

Thanks, but getting her a US passport and OCI will make her lose Indian citizenship, so we don't prefer that at all.

Indian citizenship: The status is a constitutionally protected right, the holder of it can fully participate in Indian society as an equal with other Indian citizens, and the status has no dependency on any foreign country.

OCI: The status can be granted or removed at government's discretion, the holder of it lacks most rights that distinguish citizens from non-citizens, and the status depends on maintaining a foreign passport.

We can consider OCI a satisfactory option only if India puts OCI status into the constitution, grants full equality to OCI holders, and removes its dependency on the foreign passport.

[Guddan]

Even I am too thinking of Indian Passport for my kid , so that my kid would be recognised as indian citizen during education and other fields in India.

But, I fail to undertand, why US authorities would try or force to get a US Passport instead.

[tamtom]

Even I am too thinking of Indian Passport for my kid , so that my kid would be recognised as indian citizen during education and other fields in India.

But, I fail to undertand, why US authorities would try or force to get a US Passport instead.

There's a US law on the books saying that, with a few exceptions, US citizens are required to have a US passport when leaving or entering the US. As I pointed out in the earlier post, getting the kid an Indian passport doesn't make it lose US citizenship. That law is the reason for the officials' behaviour.

As enforcement, if you try to make a round trip from the US to India and back, the US will refuse to issue a visa in the kid's Indian passport, and tell you to get the kid a US passport instead. This is the problem we are facing.

--Tamtom

[Guddan]

Entering to US on indian Passport for US born kid:
Chennai US Consulate has a FAQ saying that the child must get US passport as they will not issue visa on indian passport.
http://chennai.usconsulate.gov/bepfaq.html

Departure from US on indian passport for US born kid:
Here, it appears that immigration officer may object on having indian passport for US born kid at airport.

It seems there is no other alternative than to get US passport for entering to US. but I am thinking of only departure from US and no round trip, and hence indian passport should work (although I don't know if immigration officer/INS at airport may object on indian passport for US born kid)

[tamtom]

It seems there is no other alternative than to get US passport for entering to US. but I am thinking of only departure from US and no round trip, and hence indian passport should work (although I don't know if immigration officer/INS at airport may object on indian passport for US born kid)

In the US, there is no immigration inspection on departure. Many people have reported successfully making the trip in the US-India direction. As for the legality of the situation, a law trying to prevent an Indian citizen traveling to India on an Indian passport obviously is open to question, to say the least.

Hope this helps,

Tamtom

[mansmi18]

Hi,

I am facing the same questions. However you need to ask the following questions to yourself:
1. Are you going to live in India or in USA If your child is going to grow up in USA better to have US citizenship and PIO card.
2. Is it easy to get admission in US colleges or Indian colleges?
With all these reservations going on..(If you can take advantage of reservation better to be in India as more opportunities as indian citizen) if you cannot take advantage of reservation at least your child will have seats available from NRI quota which will reduce competition a lot and your child can have best of both. Indian as well as US education.

Note: I did not mean to comment on reservation here just gave you a possibility.

[tamtom]

mansmi18,

Interesting points.



I am facing the same questions. However you need to ask the following questions to yourself:
1. Are you going to live in India or in USA If your child is going to grow up in USA better to have US citizenship and PIO card.


As explained in the start of this thread, taking an Indian passport does NOT make the kid lose US citizenship. The main problem with the Indian passport is the inconvenience of international travel.



2. Is it easy to get admission in US colleges or Indian colleges?
With all these reservations going on..(If you can take advantage of reservation better to be in India as more opportunities as indian citizen) if you cannot take advantage of reservation at least your child will have seats available from NRI quota which will reduce competition a lot and your child can have best of both. Indian as well as US education.


In my opinion, citizenship is too serious a matter to be determined by the potential availability of college admissions 18 years in the future. If, say, China offered your kid a guaranteed spot in their top college, would you choose to take Chinese citizenship? ;-)

But if your child does prefer to use citizenship to boost quota chances for college, that will be fine too in the Indian passport case. At that point, the child will be of age, can make his or her own decisions, and having still not lost US citizenship, can renounce Indian citizenship and take a PIO if that is preferred.

--Tamtom

[mansmi18]

Hi,

Obviously I did not clarify that I already got OCI for my child so I can understand why you got confused. Also we are not in reserved quota so my child will be competing with NRIs which are less numbers of seats at an inflated price.

I think you need to get your priorities straight which in your case I think you have not. You are making a point to show that indian citizenship is of a great concern to you but you are ready to change your priorities as per your convenience. At least I got my priorities straight and not sitting on a fence.


Regards

[tamtom]

Hi,

Obviously I did not clarify that I already got OCI for my child so I can understand why you got confused. Also we are not in reserved quota so my child will be competing with NRIs which are less numbers of seats at an inflated price.


Sorry for this misunderstanding. I think you overlooked the smiley sign in my post. No offense was intended and I hope none was taken.



I think you need to get your priorities straight which in your case I think you have not. You are making a point to show that indian citizenship is of a great concern to you but you are ready to change your priorities as per your convenience. At least I got my priorities straight and not sitting on a fence.


The point is that US law doesn't allow the parents to choose the citizenship for the child. The maximum we can do to express the priority is to get an Indian passport and not a US one, which is what we did.

Regards,

Tamtom

[tamtom]

Yesterday I heard from an Indian citizen who had a baby born in Canada. When he went to his Indian consulate to apply for a passport for the baby, he was informed that "they don't issue Indian passports for children born in Canada".

The Indian nationality law does always allow Indian parents to pass their citizenship to their children born abroad, but there seems to be a misunderstanding about this in Canada.

If you are an Indian who had a child born in Canada and you tried to get the child an Indian passport, can you please post your experience here, or send me an email or private message via the link to my profile?

--Tamtom

[tamtom]

Entering to US on indian Passport for US born kid:
Chennai US Consulate has a FAQ saying that the child must get US passport as they will not issue visa on indian passport.
http://chennai.usconsulate.gov/bepfaq.html

Departure from US on indian passport for US born kid:
Here, it appears that immigration officer may object on having indian passport for US born kid at airport.

It seems there is no other alternative than to get US passport for entering to US. but I am thinking of only departure from US and no round trip, and hence indian passport should work (although I don't know if immigration officer/INS at airport may object on indian passport for US born kid)

We traveled from the US to India with the child's Indian passport and no US one, and we had no problems making the trip. After arrival, we informed the US consulate of our action and they have not complained about it. So in our case, a one-way trip from the US to India did turn out to be feasible.

Hope this helps,

Tamtom

[humap2000]

myself and my wife are Indian citizen staying in Canada,holding indian passport only,yesterday i called the indian consulate in Toronto for the procedure to get the Indian Passport for my new born baby,as I don't want canadian Passport,they said they will not issue the Indian passport.I am very much surprised and worried because if we go back to India and my new born baby on Canadian Passport,at the most my new born baby will be allowed to stay for maximum of six months,because the Indian consulate mentioned in their website www.cgitoronto.ca that they will not issue oci for children born outside India if their parents hold Indian nationality,It mean only my baby have to leave India after six months .Please anybody help me what to do?
E-mail:humap2000@yahoo.co.in
With Regards
Moin

[tamtom]

myself and my wife are Indian citizen staying in Canada,holding indian passport only,yesterday i called the indian consulate in Toronto for the procedure to get the Indian Passport for my new born baby,as I don't want canadian Passport,they said they will not issue the Indian passport.I am very much surprised and worried because if we go back to India and my new born baby on Canadian Passport,at the most my new born baby will be allowed to stay for maximum of six months,because the Indian consulate mentioned in their website www.cgitoronto.ca that they will not issue oci for children born outside India if their parents hold Indian nationality,It mean only my baby have to leave India after six months .Please anybody help me what to do?


humap2000,

I have heard the same story from one other person - the Indian consulate in Toronto is refusing to issue passports to Canadian-born Indian citizens!

I believe other Indian missions in Canada (Vancouver and Ottawa) do issue Indian passports to Canadian-born child of Indian parents, so it seems the action of the Toronto consulate is not correct.

Your options are either file a complaint with the Indian government, or give up the child's Indian citizenship and get it the baby a Canadian passport and a PIO card. The PIO card gives rights similar to OCI but must be renewed every 15 years.

Also, feel free to get in touch with me via my profile on this forum if you want to hear many more details about other people's experiences with this.

Hope this helps,

Tamtom

[teamplayer]

Hi All,

I have read threads about this and has been very useful. Tamtom, I see that you tend to suggest getting Indian passport for child born in US, if the intent is to go one way US-India. In my case I have already got US passport for my child so I dont have that option.
There is this one tricky situation now:

Parents are Indian citizen, child born in US so has US passport and a PIO card. The child cannot get OCI because parents are Indian citizen. Now if the family shifts to India, the child will be using PIO card which is at par with NRI status and will require registering with police very 180 days (what a pain) There is no way for the child now to get either OCI or Indian citizenship till it becomes 18 yrs. Is this analysis right? Am I missing anything? Any help is really appreciated. Thanks

[cool_r2i]

Hi All,

I have read threads about this and has been very useful. Tamtom, I see that you tend to suggest getting Indian passport for child born in US, if the intent is to go one way US-India. In my case I have already got US passport for my child so I dont have that option.
There is this one tricky situation now:

Parents are Indian citizen, child born in US so has US passport and a PIO card. The child cannot get OCI because parents are Indian citizen. Now if the family shifts to India, the child will be using PIO card which is at par with NRI status and will require registering with police very 180 days (what a pain) There is no way for the child now to get either OCI or Indian citizenship till it becomes 18 yrs. Is this analysis right? Am I missing anything? Any help is really appreciated. Thanks

The registration with police is not every 180 days. It is one time registration only. And, whenever you change or renew the PIO card you need to register again. Yes, it's a pain...but on the otherside you are getting the advantage of "close-to-dual-citizen" previleges...isn't it?

[tamtom]

The registration with police is not every 180 days. It is one time registration only. And, whenever you change or renew the PIO card you need to register again. Yes, it's a pain...but on the otherside you are getting the advantage of "close-to-dual-citizen" previleges...isn't it?

Also, children under 16 are exempt from registration.

The main advantage of PIO card over Indian passport for US-born children is that it avoids the whole travel hassle as we've been discussing in this thread. The disadvantage is it downgrades from "Indian citizen rights" to "close-to-Indian-citizen privileges". That's the choice each family needs to consider.

Hope this helps,

Tamtom

[cool_r2i]

Also, children under 16 are exempt from registration.

The main advantage of PIO card over Indian passport for US-born children is that it avoids the whole travel hassle as we've been discussing in this thread. The disadvantage is it downgrades from "Indian citizen rights" to "close-to-Indian-citizen privileges". That's the choice each family needs to consider.

Hope this helps,

Tamtom

The official website, documents say that children under 16 are exempt from registration. But, I have heard lot of people in Bangalore (Karnataka) registering their kids. Many have mentioned that it is required because they (or one of them they know of) was questioned at the entry/exit ports in India during the subsequent travels.

If it was not required, I believe the Police commisioner would have informed them and not proceeded further with the registration. Since it's not a big deal (one time effort), people don't mind registering.

You are right about "Indian citizen rights" Vs "close-to-Indian-Citizen" rights. But, there are several problems if you get Indian passport for a child born in US. The first and foremost:
a) US will not allow Visa on Indian passport for a child born in US. At that time, you are made to get US Passport and forced to lose Indian Citizenship.
b) Even travel from US to India on Indian passport is not correct according to some citations. I am not very proficient with the laws, but this from what I have read in some of the forums.

[tamtom]

You are right about "Indian citizen rights" Vs "close-to-Indian-Citizen" rights. But, there are several problems if you get Indian passport for a child born in US. The first and foremost:
a) US will not allow Visa on Indian passport for a child born in US. At that time, you are made to get US Passport and forced to lose Indian Citizenship.
b) Even travel from US to India on Indian passport is not correct according to some citations. I am not very proficient with the laws, but this from what I have read in some of the forums.

Right, that's the travel hassle we've been discussing. But I and many others have brought the kids from US to India on Indian passports. In my case, the US is fully aware of it and has made no complaint.

But if it turns into a case of "US vs Baby Tamtom", I'll be sure to post about it here ;)

--Tamtom

[cool_r2i]

Right, that's the travel hassle we've been discussing. But I and many others have brought the kids from US to India on Indian passports. In my case, the US is fully aware of it and has made no complaint.

But if it turns into a case of "US vs Baby Tamtom", I'll be sure to post about it here ;)

--Tamtom

Right, but that's one way travel only. What about India to US travel? That's going to be a problem again. Then, you are forced to get US Passport (and god only knows if US wants to penalize you at that the time of applying for passport). Basically, it's not a straight forward solution. It works if and only if you are ready to go through all these hassles of fighting. I believe it requires lot of time, patience and energy.

[tamtom]

Right, but that's one way travel only. What about India to US travel? That's going to be a problem again. Then, you are forced to get US Passport (and god only knows if US wants to penalize you at that the time of applying for passport). Basically, it's not a straight forward solution. It works if and only if you are ready to go through all these hassles of fighting. I believe it requires lot of time, patience and energy.

I can confirm that in every case I've known, US didn't want to penalize them when applying for passport.

For the FRRO registration for person under 16, the rules clearly say it's not required.

The question about return to the US is still open, and you are correct that it's a struggle in the current state of affairs - unless the person decides to switch the child to a US passport at that time.

Hope this helps,

Tamtom

[cool_r2i]

I can confirm that in every case I've known, US didn't want to penalize them when applying for passport.

For the FRRO registration for person under 16, the rules clearly say it's not required.

The question about return to the US is still open, and you are correct that it's a struggle in the current state of affairs - unless the person decides to switch the child to a US passport at that time.

Hope this helps,

Tamtom

Thanks, yes it helps to know that there is no penalty for having travelled to India using Indian passport and apply for US passport (worst case scenario).

Not sure about the FRRO registration, but as I said I know many many people who register their kids in Bangalore (Karnataka). I can say this confidently because I have read postings in many forums about this and there is a mixed response about the ease with which registration is done. Some people said it is very easy and some said it was 'not so easy'.

The question about 'US-to-India on Indian passport' remains the same! No easy solution, I guess.

[jramakrishna15]

Hi Tomtom,
I just go through all these information and asking you advice for my case,
I am indian, got married with kazakhstan girl and going to get a baby in next month. It seems you got good experience with administrative documentation so will you advice me what steps i need to take from now onwards...
i mean i would like to keep dual citizenship for my kid and want to keep my family in India. I am working here so i want to move with my family too. As i hope you can understand that my wife`s parents also need to keep the baby with them in some time.
So will you advice me plz. and is it right if i can take PIO card for my wife or need to prolong visa in every 5 yrs.

[tamtom]

Hi Tomtom,
I just go through all these information and asking you advice for my case,
I am indian, got married with kazakhstan girl and going to get a baby in next month. It seems you got good experience with administrative documentation so will you advice me what steps i need to take from now onwards...
i mean i would like to keep dual citizenship for my kid and want to keep my family in India. I am working here so i want to move with my family too. As i hope you can understand that my wife`s parents also need to keep the baby with them in some time.
So will you advice me plz. and is it right if i can take PIO card for my wife or need to prolong visa in every 5 yrs.

jramakrishna15,

Yes, spouse of Indian citizen is eligible for a PIO card, so your wife can apply for one.

I don't know any details about Kazakhstan, but some of their rules are published on the web. A good source is legislationline.org.

It seems Kazakhstan does not allow dual citizenship. But it does allow a child to give up and regain Kazakh citizenship. So your child cannot be a citizen of both countries at the same time, but can be first one, then the other.

In your case, when the child is born, you can apply for a birth certificate, and he or she should be in status as a child born in Kazakhstan with one Kazakh parent.

Later on, you can apply for an Indian passport for the child. If you do it in the first year after birth, it's citizen by descent. Otherwise, it's citizen by registration. At that point, the child would lose Kazakh citizenship. If you do that while the child is still in Kazakhstan, then you would have to register the child as a foreigner and apply for a residence permit. I don't know any details on how to do that, so you should ask the Kazakh authorities.

Or, you could keep the child's Kazakh citizenship and bring him or her to India on a Kazakh passport and a PIO card, and then apply for Indian citizenship for the child later on while in India. If you do that, you can then notify the Kazakh Embassy that the child is renouncing Kazakh citizenship in favor of Indian. You should ask them to acknowledge, because India would need proof that the Kazakh citizenship was renounced. I'm not sure if the Kazakh side would need you to do further formalities such as cancelling the child's Kazakh passport. Again, you should ask the Kazakh authorities for the details.

Hope this helps,

Tamtom

[jramakrishna15]

Hi Tamtom,
Thanks for your advice regarding this. I will ask the authorities and give you information accordingly, in incase may useful for anybody.
Thaks once again

[ambi123]

Thanks, yes it helps to know that there is no penalty for having travelled to India using Indian passport and apply for US passport (worst case scenario).

Not sure about the FRRO registration, but as I said I know many many people who register their kids in Bangalore (Karnataka). I can say this confidently because I have read postings in many forums about this and there is a mixed response about the ease with which registration is done. Some people said it is very easy and some said it was 'not so easy'.

The question about 'US-to-India on Indian passport' remains the same! No easy solution, I guess.

Guyz.. My son was born in US and we have US passport for him +PIO card. We are here since dec 06. Since the 180 days are ending now, I just spoke to the Police Inspector in charge of the FRRO office today. He clearly told me that the FRO registration is not required for children under 16 yrs age. But since we work in IT and may have to travel frequently, sometimes the immigration guyz on airport might ask a few questions. So, he advised me to get it done anyway.

The process is simple. There is an application form which is available on Net for Hyderabad police (in Mumbai it is online submission too!!). We need to give them photocopies of US passport, PIO card, parents passports and an address proof. Teh registration certificate is mailed to you in 7 days!

My advise is to get it done quickly and be done with. there are no hassles, nothing under the table and no long queues as well.

Hope this helps clear all the confusion. Here are some links for reference:

http://www.cyberabadpolice.gov.in/
http://www.mumbaipolice.org/
http://www.punepolice.com/passport.htm
http://www.onlinebangalore.com/gove/banp/bangpol3.html
dint find anything on Chennai and Delhi Police sites :(

[cool_r2i]

http://www.cyberabadpolice.gov.in/
http://www.mumbaipolice.org/
http://www.punepolice.com/passport.htm
http://www.onlinebangalore.com/gove/banp/bangpol3.html
dint find anything on Chennai and Delhi Police sites :(

Thanks for posting the first hand experience here. It helps. Are you in Hyderabad? I just checked the website and I was just wondering as to why they need 4 sets of application. Did you give them 4 sets of application?

[Patel01]

NEWBORN born in usa
having birth in usa to a mother and father having Indian passports (citizenship) on non immigrant visa?

In ref.to all this disscussion I have some more questions. Please help me to solve.
(1)Please kindly let us know where to get details of options available regarding citizenship for a newborn?(2) In case he takes any one of usa Indian passport now, can he decide and change when he is major at 18 for himself? How to retain this right to decide for Indian citizenship at 18? Does it require a must - birth registration at consulate at usa presently with in a year?
(3) Should birthdates be registered at consulate irrespective of getting Indian or usa passport? If usa passport do they register by allowing us passport?

Thank you
Patel01
(new to this forum)

[waitin_toolong]

If you decide on Indian passport then the right is preserved by virtue of being born in USA (birth certificate is all that is needed)

[Patel01]

Thank you for prompt answer.
Yes, by taking Indian passport we can save right of us passport also.
But very difficult to keep child without travel for 18 years. so difficult in practice if mother/ father are on nonimmigrant visa at usa.

Heard that we need to get birth date registered at indian consulate with in a year of birth as indian citizen. Problem is that for registration of birth itis required to declare that no other passport is hold and registration of birth is done as a indian citizen.
My confusion is that if someone takes usa passport and wants to renounce at 18 for Indian passport, is this birth registration must? if somebody has not registered birth at consulate is he going to loose right - right to decide (if wishes so) for indian passport by renouncuing usa passport at 18?
Please share your knowledge.
Thank you

[waitin_toolong]

If you decide to go for a US passport then also get PIO card for your child.

If later he/she wants Indian passport upon maturity and renounce US citizenship then they can get Indian passport on the basis of their parents being Indian citizens.

And if you too get US citizenship then OCI card

[rajeshomallur]

(3) By Registration (Section 5(1))

(d) Minor children whose both parents are Indian citizens under section 5(1)(d). Application shall be made by his parents in Form-III.

What I could understand from the website (http://www.mha.nic.in/citi.htm) is that you can go to India on a US passport and then get Indian citizenship "By Registration". Am I right?

[Patel01]

Thank you for adding information
Problem is that amendment in 2005 puts a condition that a child can get Indian citizenship if both parents are Indian provided if his birth has been registered at indian consulate with in 1 year.
This birth registration means you are taking Indian citizenship as registration is as a indian citizen and mother and father has to declare that ther is no passport of any other country. After registration anyday when you ask for a passport again it is asked that you have no any other citizenship or passport.

So indian citizenship do not allow other citizenship.

My question further in this ref. are
If someone plan to take usa passport and just get birth date registered for future how can that be? Question is will they register birthdate eventhough usa passport?
If we take Indian passport than child have difficulties to travel to usa.

If anyone knowing aboutbirth registration at consulate please add information
patel01

[cool_r2i]

My question further in this ref. are
If someone plan to take usa passport and just get birth date registered for future how can that be? Question is will they register birthdate eventhough usa passport?
If we take Indian passport than child have difficulties to travel to usa.

If anyone knowing aboutbirth registration at consulate please add information
patel01

To my understanding, the PIO card is sufficient to request for Indian citizenship later at 18+. Also, as far as I know, the registration of birth (getting birth certificate from Indian consulate) MUST be followed by applying for a passport. Which means, you get both Birth Certificate and the Passport together.

I think the SFO consulate responds to emails. So, if you belong to the SFO consulate, I think it's a good question to ask the consulate.

[rajeshomallur]

I think the PIO card is issued only for 15 yrs. What if I go back to India with a PIO car for the baby immediately after his/her birth.? Can I renew it in India for the remaining 3 yrs when he/she becomes 15?

Also, regarding the 2005 amendment - what if I apply for the birth certificate and Indian passport first and then apply for US PP and inform Indian consulate that I got the US PP? They must be cancelling the Indian PP but legally I have registered the baby's birth. Then, after going back to India, apply for citizenship "by registration".

Any comments?

[cool_r2i]

I think the PIO card is issued only for 15 yrs. What if I go back to India with a PIO car for the baby immediately after his/her birth.? Can I renew it in India for the remaining 3 yrs when he/she becomes 15?

>>>Yes, you can renew it from India.

Also, regarding the 2005 amendment - what if I apply for the birth certificate and Indian passport first and then apply for US PP and inform Indian consulate that I got the US PP? They must be cancelling the Indian PP but legally I have registered the baby's birth. Then, after going back to India, apply for citizenship "by registration".

>>> What is 2005 amendment? Can you elaborate on this?
Getting Indian passport and then getting US passport is fine. You need to get your Indian passport cancelled once you get the US passport. But, are you saying you want to change from Indian-to-US-to-Indian? That should be possible, but what is the use of this...you can just stay with whatever you got in the beginning ...isn't it? Correct me if I am missing something here.

Any comments?

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[Patel01]

By reading so many learned people’s view on present law I could understood following. This I put to be further corrected whereever I am wrong.

Indian constitution do not allow Dual Citizenship (OCI is not true citizenship).

USA citizenship comes automatically once some one is born in USA, whether he or she wants or not, and USA does not allow minor to renounce USA citizenship up to he reaches maturity. So till someone born in USA is not major and renounce usa citizenship he is USA citizen whether he wishes or not.

If a newborn of Indian parent wants Indian citizenship it is allowed by registration of birth date (birth) in a year time at consulate and getting Indian passport, by giving declaration that you have no other (including usa) passport or citizenship,
By taking Indian passport there is lot of difficulty in traveling to USA till 18 years. So those ones, who do not plan to go USA, at least in childhood may be opting for Indian passport. But child traveling betwin USA and India has no better option but USA passport.

My questions are: for a newborn

(a) Is my above understanding ok?

(a)Is Birth registration at consulate with taking passport or not, and getting Indian citizenship is same thing?

(b)Can one with USA passport, who does not want Indian citizenship by now but may take at maturity, get his birth registered at consulate? (without getting usa citizenship renounced, or by giving declaration of same and without taking Indain passport)

(c) Does he need this registration to claim Indian citizenship when he is mature? (As new rule says it is necessary to get birth date registered in a year time.) Have those who have not registered birth date in a year time a chance to switch over at maturity to Indian citizenship?

(b)Fact is that no one can make minor without his USA citizenship, whether USA passport taken or not, whether any declaration given or not. Fact is that Indian passport can be availed for this child. Is this not a dual citizenship, at least for a minor?

Please bear me for any repetition as it is not so simple to understand for me.
Please add your knowledge to make this more correct.
thank you
all friends

[Patel01]

Originally Posted by rajeshomallur
I think the PIO card is issued only for 15 yrs. What if I go back to India with a PIO car for the baby immediately after his/her birth.? Can I renew it in India for the remaining 3 yrs when he/she becomes 15?
>>>Yes, you can renew it from India.
Also, regarding the 2005 amendment - what if I apply for the birth certificate and Indian passport first and then apply for US PP and inform Indian consulate that I got the US PP? They must be cancelling the Indian PP but legally I have registered the baby's birth. Then, after going back to India, apply for citizenship "by registration".

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. In ref. to above :my thouhts (not necessarily right)
Is it advisable first to have Indian passport than of that US and again Indian? that also just to get birth registered at consulate? why should one psitively renounce indian citizenship? May it make little more difficult to get indian again.
If we want only to get birth on record at indian consulate ther is way? if one applies for PIO before end of one year from birth, may it not be an indirect evidence on record of birthdate at Indian consulate??
I feel whole problem is either words are not simple to understand indian law by us or may be this one year registration (means taking Indian citizenship practicaly) cut off has been kept intentionaly to avoid dual citizenship. May be it may need further amendment in near future, as newborn citizenship is not voluntrily taken. Also being mother and father we can not decide final future citizenship of minor. He must be given chance to decide at 18, whatever dccitizenship/s may be before 18.

[tamtom]

It's time to review our case.

Our baby has an Indian citizen mother and US citizen father. We got her an Indian passport and no US one. We currently live in the US but plan to move to India permanently in the future. We need to make trips between the two countries from time to time.

However, we don't think it's normal or acceptable to make our baby give up Indian citizenship. That result is clearly not intended by the two countries' systems. The Indian system says the child can choose Indian as primary citizenship now and choose at age 18. The US system says the child can have both citizenships, but can't renounce US citizenship until age 18. The only problem is the US makes its passport mandatory, but India treats a passport as a sign of making a choice.

We needed to make a trip to India last November and return to the US in January. Before we left, we asked our Indian consulate to intervene and gave a few suggestions on how they could make our daughter become eligible for an automatic waiver of the US passport requirement. They considered the suggestions, but refused for technical reasons.

There was no problem going to India. India stamped the baby's passport on arrival with no questions asked. After arriving, we directly asked the US consulate to waive the US passport requirement for our baby. They replied insisting that we get the baby a US passport. We refused this, and asked the consulate to give us instead a document saying the child's US citizenship was involuntarily acquired. There was no reply, so I went in person to the consulate and swore out a declaration to that effect before their notary.

Since neither the US nor Indian governments were willing to help us about the return to the US without losing the baby's Indian citizenship, we were on our own. We got a visa in the baby's Indian passport to the transit point (Singapore), and we left India in January.

The airline gave us boarding passes without a problem. India gave the departure stamp in the baby's Indian passport, again with no questions asked. We got off in Singapore and Singapore stamped the baby's Indian passport on both entry and exit. At the security checkpoints when asked why the baby doesn't have a US visa, we presented the birth certificate and it was accepted as proof of the baby's right to enter the US.

On arrival in the US, the immigration officer waived the US passport requirement for the baby but told us we should get her a US passport next time, citing the more strict passport checking beginning Jan. 23 of this year.

We knew another person with a similar case. He made the trip in February and, like us, without getting a US passport for his US-born child. In his case, on return to the US, the immigration officer did a secondary inspection and demanded strongly that the parents get the child a US passport on their next trip. However, the officer still waived the US passport for the child.

After this, the two of us together opened a correspondence with the US State Dept. telling them what had happened, and asking them to fix the problem. By traveling without the US passport, we had to take a serious risk that the airline would refuse to board the child. But if we took the US passport, we were almost certain that India would cancel the child's Indian passport and start treating the child as a foreigner.

The State Dept. replied negatively to our requests and made no constructive suggestion for fixing the problem. A third person with the same case as us - US-born baby, Indian passport, is in India now and needs to make a trip to the US in August. We're still hoping for some kind of US-India action to end the insanity.

So, the outcomes are:
1) We got to make the trip.

2) The child's Indian passport was recognized by both India and Singapore, but not the US. The child's Indian citizenship remains unchallenged.

3) We had to take a big risk of being refused boarding by the airline.

4) We don't know how we or other people can continue to make similar trips in the future.

We have formed a group of concerned parents to discuss and advocate for this issue. Please get in touch if you are interested in joining. I'm taking email and private messages via the forum.

--Tamtom

[immihelp]

tamtom,

I didn't have chance to read all the posts made by you and fully understand the exact problem you are facing.

However, I know that you are trying to avoid getting US passport for baby because Indian passport would be cancelled and baby would loose Indian citizenship.

Therefore, could you please briefly explain why exactly you are trying to do that? Other than patriotic or emotional reasons, what practical problem is your baby going to face by loosing Indian citizenship?

[tamtom]

Other than patriotic or emotional reasons, what practical problem is your baby going to face by loosing Indian citizenship?

First of all, let's not downgrade the importance of patriotic and emotional reasons. The way this problem is handled will teach a big lesson to the children about India's perception of itself, its relationship with the US, and its role in the world.

The lesson we'd like to teach our child is what's written on her passport: "Satyameva jayate" - the right will prevail. What's the right thing in this case? Neither India, nor the US, nor the children are well served if the children lose their Indian citizenship just because of an accidental conflict in the details of the two countries' laws. Why isn't it right to try to fix it?

Now, let's turn to some practical issues. Indian citizenship carries constitutionally protected rights, but PIO card does not. Should we care about the difference?

In the thread http://www.immihelp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24641, milli wrote (about OCI application):


I checked this one at SFO consulate in May 2006 and told I could apply for my daughter(both parents were Indians). I applied in September and got rejected saying she was not elligible since both parents were Indians.

In the thread http://www.immihelp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23353 , Virudhun wrote (about FRRO registration for children under 16):


We were stopped at the Immigration, Chennai for not registering for my son, who stayed over 180 days in India. Finally we were allowed after we gave a reason for the overstay, and we were warned not to happen again.

So, this means within a year, those US-born children went from eligibility for permantent, constitutionally guaranteed full Indian citizenship, to permanent, but not constitutionally guaranteed "overseas citizenship", to 15 year, not constitutionally guaranteed residence permit without requirement to do FRRO registration, to being ordered to do FRRO registration anyway. That's three outrageous betrayals within a year.

After these recent events, it's obvious that nobody has the ability to promise that the children won't be subject to further arbitrary rollbacks of their rights over the next 18 years. There's only one way that a government promises rights to people, and that's called citizenship.

There are a lot of other issues too - non-resident tuition for junior college (and of course, the prospect that all sorts of other places will start charging similar discriminatory fees); lack of international recognition of the child's Indian status, which can cause problems if the child becomes orphaned while the family is traveling abroad; ...the list goes on.

Hope this clarifies,

Tamtom

[thecrab2000]

I have taken the US passport for my new born baby...and now is there any way we can get the Indian passport? I mean I understand that Indian Embassy would ask us to sign a declaration that we have not taken any other citizenship for the kid, but now since we already have a US passport..what to do? Can we just sign that declaration...get the indian passport and when after 5 years US passport expires..just won't get it renewed... would there be any issues?

[tamtom]

I have taken the US passport for my new born baby...and now is there any way we can get the Indian passport? I mean I understand that Indian Embassy would ask us to sign a declaration that we have not taken any other citizenship for the kid, but now since we already have a US passport..what to do? Can we just sign that declaration...get the indian passport and when after 5 years US passport expires..just won't get it renewed... would there be any issues?

No, don't sign a false declaration. Penalties for that could include cancellation of the child's passport, a fine, and problems for the child getting visas to India in the future.

To get Indian citizenship by descent, the child needs to apply within first year and having never had another country's passport. In that case, India accepts the fact that the child has involuntarily acquired another citizenship.

After taking another country's passport, the child has to go for citizenship by registration. The laws are not clear what happens if, during the process, India asks the child to renounce US citizenship and the US refuses to allow it (US basically does not allow minors to renounce citizenship).

Hope this helps,

Tamtom

[regzinghh]

Its really great to see all your postings. I got some idea for US Born confusions. Can you suggest something for my below constraint.
I just got the US Birth Certificate for my son, and not applied yet for any passport. I will be permanently going to India after 4 yrs, meantime I will need to make yearly trip to US-India-US with my kid in these 4 yrs. Child will continue the education in India after 4 yrs. So I dont want to get into NRI quota as it seems too expensive for a father living in India :) . How best we can approach this problem so that I will not pay NRI fees for my kid.

[tamtom]

Its really great to see all your postings. I got some idea for US Born confusions. Can you suggest something for my below constraint.
I just got the US Birth Certificate for my son, and not applied yet for any passport. I will be permanently going to India after 4 yrs, meantime I will need to make yearly trip to US-India-US with my kid in these 4 yrs. Child will continue the education in India after 4 yrs. So I dont want to get into NRI quota as it seems too expensive for a father living in India :) . How best we can approach this problem so that I will not pay NRI fees for my kid.

It's easy to get the child an Indian passport and make one US-India trip. But if you need to make several US-India-US trips with the child, it's going to be hard to avoid getting the child a US passport. As we posted before, we managed to make one single US-India-US trip keeping the child's Indian passport, but I have no idea what's going to happen on our next trip.

--Tamtom

[gaonwale]

Hi tamtom,

I am new to this forum. Just saw your efforts on this topic and I really appreciate it. I would like to join the group you have formed, please PM me your email id.

"The State Dept. replied negatively to our requests and made no constructive suggestion for fixing the problem. A third person with the same case as us - US-born baby, Indian passport, is in India now and needs to make a trip to the US in August. We're still hoping for some kind of US-India action to end the insanity."

Have you got any information about this third person's travel to US in August?

-gaonwale



It's time to review our case.

Our baby has an Indian citizen mother and US citizen father. We got her an Indian passport and no US one. We currently live in the US but plan to move to India permanently in the future. We need to make trips between the two countries from time to time.

However, we don't think it's normal or acceptable to make our baby give up Indian citizenship. That result is clearly not intended by the two countries' systems. The Indian system says the child can choose Indian as primary citizenship now and choose at age 18. The US system says the child can have both citizenships, but can't renounce US citizenship until age 18. The only problem is the US makes its passport mandatory, but India treats a passport as a sign of making a choice.

We needed to make a trip to India last November and return to the US in January. Before we left, we asked our Indian consulate to intervene and gave a few suggestions on how they could make our daughter become eligible for an automatic waiver of the US passport requirement. They considered the suggestions, but refused for technical reasons.

There was no problem going to India. India stamped the baby's passport on arrival with no questions asked. After arriving, we directly asked the US consulate to waive the US passport requirement for our baby. They replied insisting that we get the baby a US passport. We refused this, and asked the consulate to give us instead a document saying the child's US citizenship was involuntarily acquired. There was no reply, so I went in person to the consulate and swore out a declaration to that effect before their notary.

Since neither the US nor Indian governments were willing to help us about the return to the US without losing the baby's Indian citizenship, we were on our own. We got a visa in the baby's Indian passport to the transit point (Singapore), and we left India in January.

The airline gave us boarding passes without a problem. India gave the departure stamp in the baby's Indian passport, again with no questions asked. We got off in Singapore and Singapore stamped the baby's Indian passport on both entry and exit. At the security checkpoints when asked why the baby doesn't have a US visa, we presented the birth certificate and it was accepted as proof of the baby's right to enter the US.

On arrival in the US, the immigration officer waived the US passport requirement for the baby but told us we should get her a US passport next time, citing the more strict passport checking beginning Jan. 23 of this year.

We knew another person with a similar case. He made the trip in February and, like us, without getting a US passport for his US-born child. In his case, on return to the US, the immigration officer did a secondary inspection and demanded strongly that the parents get the child a US passport on their next trip. However, the officer still waived the US passport for the child.

After this, the two of us together opened a correspondence with the US State Dept. telling them what had happened, and asking them to fix the problem. By traveling without the US passport, we had to take a serious risk that the airline would refuse to board the child. But if we took the US passport, we were almost certain that India would cancel the child's Indian passport and start treating the child as a foreigner.

The State Dept. replied negatively to our requests and made no constructive suggestion for fixing the problem. A third person with the same case as us - US-born baby, Indian passport, is in India now and needs to make a trip to the US in August. We're still hoping for some kind of US-India action to end the insanity.

So, the outcomes are:
1) We got to make the trip.

2) The child's Indian passport was recognized by both India and Singapore, but not the US. The child's Indian citizenship remains unchallenged.

3) We had to take a big risk of being refused boarding by the airline.

4) We don't know how we or other people can continue to make similar trips in the future.

We have formed a group of concerned parents to discuss and advocate for this issue. Please get in touch if you are interested in joining. I'm taking email and private messages via the forum.

--Tamtom

[tamtom]

Hi tamtom,
I am new to this forum. Just saw your efforts on this topic and I really appreciate it. I would like to join the group you have formed, please PM me your email id.


I have sent you a private message. By the way, I am accepting email through the forum as well. Anyone interested in the matter, please get in touch.



"The State Dept. replied negatively to our requests and made no constructive suggestion for fixing the problem. A third person with the same case as us - US-born baby, Indian passport, is in India now and needs to make a trip to the US in August. We're still hoping for some kind of US-India action to end the insanity."

Have you got any information about this third person's travel to US in August?


As far as I know, there was no US-India action. I can't comment on the other person's case.

My own family will need to make another trip to India this year, so our efforts are ongoing.

--Tamtom

[nimitz]

It's time to review our case.

Our baby has an Indian citizen mother and US citizen father. We got her an Indian passport and no US one. We currently live in the US but plan to move to India permanently in the future. We need to make trips between the two countries from time to time.

However, we don't think it's normal or acceptable to make our baby give up Indian citizenship. That result is clearly not intended by the two countries' systems. The Indian system says the child can choose Indian as primary citizenship now and choose at age 18. The US system says the child can have both citizenships, but can't renounce US citizenship until age 18. The only problem is the US makes its passport mandatory, but India treats a passport as a sign of making a choice.

We needed to make a trip to India last November and return to the US in January. Before we left, we asked our Indian consulate to intervene and gave a few suggestions on how they could make our daughter become eligible for an automatic waiver of the US passport requirement. They considered the suggestions, but refused for technical reasons.

There was no problem going to India. India stamped the baby's passport on arrival with no questions asked. After arriving, we directly asked the US consulate to waive the US passport requirement for our baby. They replied insisting that we get the baby a US passport. We refused this, and asked the consulate to give us instead a document saying the child's US citizenship was involuntarily acquired. There was no reply, so I went in person to the consulate and swore out a declaration to that effect before their notary.

Since neither the US nor Indian governments were willing to help us about the return to the US without losing the baby's Indian citizenship, we were on our own. We got a visa in the baby's Indian passport to the transit point (Singapore), and we left India in January.

The airline gave us boarding passes without a problem. India gave the departure stamp in the baby's Indian passport, again with no questions asked. We got off in Singapore and Singapore stamped the baby's Indian passport on both entry and exit. At the security checkpoints when asked why the baby doesn't have a US visa, we presented the birth certificate and it was accepted as proof of the baby's right to enter the US.

On arrival in the US, the immigration officer waived the US passport requirement for the baby but told us we should get her a US passport next time, citing the more strict passport checking beginning Jan. 23 of this year.

We knew another person with a similar case. He made the trip in February and, like us, without getting a US passport for his US-born child. In his case, on return to the US, the immigration officer did a secondary inspection and demanded strongly that the parents get the child a US passport on their next trip. However, the officer still waived the US passport for the child.

After this, the two of us together opened a correspondence with the US State Dept. telling them what had happened, and asking them to fix the problem. By traveling without the US passport, we had to take a serious risk that the airline would refuse to board the child. But if we took the US passport, we were almost certain that India would cancel the child's Indian passport and start treating the child as a foreigner.

The State Dept. replied negatively to our requests and made no constructive suggestion for fixing the problem. A third person with the same case as us - US-born baby, Indian passport, is in India now and needs to make a trip to the US in August. We're still hoping for some kind of US-India action to end the insanity.

So, the outcomes are:
1) We got to make the trip.

2) The child's Indian passport was recognized by both India and Singapore, but not the US. The child's Indian citizenship remains unchallenged.

3) We had to take a big risk of being refused boarding by the airline.

4) We don't know how we or other people can continue to make similar trips in the future.

We have formed a group of concerned parents to discuss and advocate for this issue. Please get in touch if you are interested in joining. I'm taking email and private messages via the forum.

--Tamtom
At first, i would like to thank you for posting your experiences on this issue, as i understand
you have made round trip to US-India-US on indian passport for the baby, and baby passport contains no visas, is legal for the baby to be on indian passport with out visa in US, what is legal status of the baby holding inidan passport with US birth certificate in US.

[raviteli]

As per the following link, it seems like PIO card holders can acquire indian citizenship by registration.

http://www.mha.nic.in/citizenship/acquisition.htm

However, I have a couple of questions with regards to a PIO card holder child.

Question:
1) If PIO card holder is a minor (3 months old baby) and parents are say returning to India for good in a year's time. Roughly, at the age of 8 the child will be able to apply for Indian citizenship (after staying for 7 years in succession). However, will it be necessary for child to renounce his US citizenship in order to acquire Indian citizenship ? If it is so, we are in a loop here. A minor child can not renounce US citizenship until he reaches 18 neither can his parents on his behalf. So, can the child acquire Indian citizenship before he reaches age of 18 in this scenario ?

2) How long it takes to acquire Indian citizenship after applying for it ?

Thanks,
Ravi

[citi2009]

Hello,
your posts have been very helpful. I am planning on getting citizenship next yr and it is early for me to plan other things as i am single.
If both parents were to have citizenship in US is there a problem for child to get Indian passport?
I had heard that OCI gives all other rights to child other than govt jobs and political rights- so in terms of schooling etc it is supposed to be at par with regular indian citzenship. Is that not true??

Thanks again!

[sbabita]

This forum has some real good information.

My husband and me are in Toronto, Canada and expecting our first baby in October 2008. My husband and me are on work permits that can be renewed by the employer. We hold Indian passports and are Indian citizens and are expecting to get our permanent residence anytime soon.
We want to take Indian citizenship for the baby and wish to travel to India in Feb-March 2009.
We are planning to move back to India and our only requirement is that the child should have equal status in India and should have the option of getting Canadian citizenship at the age of 18 if he/she wishes to.

My questions are:
1. Where should we register the birth of the baby (Indian consulate) or Canadian office ?
2. What passport should we apply for ?

If someone can post relevant links for enquiries in this matter or post their experience it would greatly help.

Thanks.

[atangutu]

Just thought I will let any one interested to know that we have successfully obtained Indian passport for our daughter born in the USA. We have done this at the Indian consulate in Chicago. My daughter was 3 months old when we did this.

[sb_tor]

Thanks for the info in this board. My baby girl was born in Canada last month, and I was unsure of whether to apply for a Canadian passport or Indian passport.

Did some more research after going through the posts here. It looks like the best way is to get a Canadian passport for now along with a PIO card. The only question is whether I am protecting her right to get an indian passport later if she wants.

http://www.mha.nic.in/citizenship/acquisition.htm
When the child is 18 years of age, she will have the option of applying for indian citizenship if so desired.

Citizenship By Registration (Section 5(1))
Persons of full age who or either of the parents were earlier citizen of Independent India and residing in India for ONE YEAR immediately before making application under section 5(1)(f). Application shall be made in Form III- B.

[chajuram]

Hi All,

I appreciate the informative discussion about an issue that is important to me. Reading the posts, it appears to me that there are only two options that Indian parents of a US born child has.

1. Apply for an Indian passport, perform a one way USA-India travel, or run the risk of being stopped by airline officials or immigration officials when trying to enter the US next (as tamtom mentions). Because the US consulates in India are not going to Issue the child US visas (nor is USCIS issuing dependent visas, for that matter, while we are still in the US).

2. Apply for a PIO or OCI card for the minor.

If one was to choose the second option, which of the two is better, PIO or OCI. It appears to me that my child can receive both forms of "VISAs" for traveling to India. Am I missing something obvious? If I understand correctly, at the age of 18, the child can choose to get an Indian citizenship, if he/she satisfies the minimum stay required, from both.

I will be happy to hear your views.
Thanks,
Chajuram

[prasadbh]

Just thought I will let any one interested to know that we have successfully obtained Indian passport for our daughter born in the USA. We have done this at the Indian consulate in Chicago. My daughter was 3 months old when we did this.

We are expecting our baby within a week or so. Could you please clarify following questions.
1. Could you let me know the process to get Indian passport for the baby born in USA.
2. What are the advantages of getting Indian passport over USA one.
3. What is the VISA process since the baby is already in US.

[sridiculous]

First of all, Thanks to Tomtom and all the others who have contributed to this thread and have taken an active part in this thread. I am in the same boat as most of you, however, I could not understand something and would be greatful if someone can clarify the following issue for me.

1. Baby born in US to Indian parents.
2. The baby is a citizen of US by birth (Remember, at birth the baby is already a citizen)
3. The birth is registered at the Indian consulate and an Indian passport is acquired by registration. The declaration signed says that no other country passport was applied for the infant and that is true and no misrepresentation of facts.
4. Since US requires the infant to travel on a US passport, a US passport is applied for after the Indian passport.
5. The Indian law says, "If the holder of an Indian passport acquires nationality of another country, he should surrender his/her Indian passport forthwith to the nearest Indian Mission/Post. Unauthorised possession of Indian passport constitutes an offence punishable under the Indian Passports Act, 1967."
6. At this point however, the baby is not acquiring the nationality of another country, the US nationality was acquired at birth involuntarity and the US passport is merely a travel document and IS NOT voluntarily acquiring the nationality of another country. The nationality was acquired at birth INVOLUNTARILY.

Stating all the above facts, why would the baby lose the Indian citizenship or rather why should the infant renounce Indian citizenship and cancel the passport as it is clearly not a violation of the law or am I missing something here.

Could someone please enlighten me. Greatly appreciate any feedback and clarification on the matter.

Thanks.

[Gauravsaxena03]

Hi,

I went through the thread but am not sure what the current laws/regulations are.I am still to apply for my new born's Indian passport.My concerns were about travel to India and if the airlines/indian authorities object to that

Thanks,
GS

[ckiranc]

I too would like to know about Indian citizenship for a US born.
I have to make a decision about which passport to apply for.
If I apply for an Indian passport and don't apply for a US passport would the kid be allowed to travel to US in future if he doesn't have a US passport. I dont want to apply for the US passport as I want to keep the Indian citizenship.
In such a situation is there a way to travel back to US.
Please advise.

[nr1811]

Has anyone applied for a Canadian tourist visa for an US born child with Indian PP and made successful trips to Canada?

[cleverhan]

I am also planning to get an Indian passport for my child. Does anyone have any recent experiences in travelling to India and back with an Indian passport for a US born child?

I would like to know what other travel documents we can carry in place of a US visa in such cases.

[debdash]

I am also in the same boat. Need to know the latest updates on the rules. Is the conclusions drawn on this thread still valid? I am interested in getting Indian PP for my baby and go back for good. My concern is more on the education in India and what would be the best option for it [US PP with PIO or Indian PP]? Senior/Experienced members please advise.

[TarunVerma]

Guys, I am also looking for round trip to India along with my US born baby girl holding Indian Passport. Please help me if anyone already been through this and succssfully travelled round trip to India.

Seniors...your help is highly appreciated in this matter.

Thanks
Tarun

[mmarsalien]

My daughter is 2 weeks old, born in USA..
I am planning to get an Indian passport for her.
But, I read about the problems for to and fro US to India to US journey.
Please let me know if anyone has found any solution for this problem.
Thank you!

[divyang]

hi
i would like to know that one of my friend living in UK she have baby of of 8 months old. she is living as a dependent student visa. her husband left them who is on student visa category. now she want to get her son's indian passport. her husband left them and they have no any contact with him.

They are not legally divorced. her husband left them and came back to india without doing any legal procudure. she has only 2 months visa less to stay in UK. How can she bring her son with her to INDIA.
so, give me advise what can she do to get her son's indian passport in UK From the indian high commission, UK.

ADVISE ME.........

THANK YOU

DIVYANG:o