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  • #16
    Totally confused now...As suggested just tell us exactly what the RFE is asking for. Not to sound rude here, but your posts are not adding up.

    Initially you said the IO only asked about the "divorce decree" and why you did not show initial contact in the relationship. Both these questions are very legitimate and happen to people all the time. In your case the bulk of initial contact was done over ******** so the IO is going to want to see that and understand. Someone had a situation where the bulk was over mindcraft and so they sent logs of all the mindcraft discussions.

    As for the divorce, the IO needs to be made clear the past marriage was dissolved that is super important to your application. No one is here questioning your wife's past they are doing their job which is need a full proof of a divorce and new marriage.

    Lastly, initially you said you presented all this information and just had those "2" above gaps in the evidence trail. Now you are saying in fact you submitted much lighter overall evidence and plan to send a ton of more stuff with the RFE. Also your assumptions around the IO's mood and cases around you, no point to care everyone's case is different. Some people live apart but have known each other for over 5 years and finally got married, some people cannot open joint accounts due to some issue here or there, but like we have seen have tons of converstations/trips/etc other information. Majority of the time the IO is just doing their job, they flagged something you could not answer it and now the RFE is to solve that.

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    • #17
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      Originally posted by cali2018 View Post
      Totally confused now...As suggested just tell us exactly what the RFE is asking for. Not to sound rude here, but your posts are not adding up.

      Initially you said the IO only asked about the "divorce decree" and why you did not show initial contact in the relationship. Both these questions are very legitimate and happen to people all the time. In your case the bulk of initial contact was done over ******** so the IO is going to want to see that and understand. Someone had a situation where the bulk was over mindcraft and so they sent logs of all the mindcraft discussions.

      As for the divorce, the IO needs to be made clear the past marriage was dissolved that is super important to your application. No one is here questioning your wife's past they are doing their job which is need a full proof of a divorce and new marriage.

      Lastly, initially you said you presented all this information and just had those "2" above gaps in the evidence trail. Now you are saying in fact you submitted much lighter overall evidence and plan to send a ton of more stuff with the RFE. Also your assumptions around the IO's mood and cases around you, no point to care everyone's case is different. Some people live apart but have known each other for over 5 years and finally got married, some people cannot open joint accounts due to some issue here or there, but like we have seen have tons of converstations/trips/etc other information. Majority of the time the IO is just doing their job, they flagged something you could not answer it and now the RFE is to solve that.
      I exactly write down the RFEs in order. So of course IO is doing his/her job. But the confusing thing how can I send all messages, it is almost 100 page it is weird to translate everything... I am just trying to get some valuable suggestion for now. I do not want to dispute whoever here. We also replied everything clear. Now we have 6 affidavit and all ******** page screenshots, and all bills, insurances policies. And just a question : If she does not divorce how can she change her surname, how can we get married and how we complete all legal paperworks here, w2 etc... Moreover our marriage certificates and all other paperworks show that we are legally married, if you are not divorced you cannot married and get the marriage certificate. Am I wrong ? So I am insist on my situation. It depends on IO mood and experience to understand and decide with the documents which they have. For instance : who brings the Engage ring receipt as an evidence. we got a wedding ring rfe in the list. Of course we have the receipt but we found luckly in the folder because we collect all invoices for tax returns. Anyway we will see the process from now on. I believe that after these RFEs result will be good, but the process is nervous...

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Gokhan View Post
        I exactly write down the RFEs in order. So of course IO is doing his/her job. But the confusing thing how can I send all messages, it is almost 100 page it is weird to translate everything... I am just trying to get some valuable suggestion for now. I do not want to dispute whoever here. We also replied everything clear. Now we have 6 affidavit and all ******** page screenshots, and all bills, insurances policies. And just a question : If she does not divorce how can she change her surname, how can we get married and how we complete all legal paperworks here, w2 etc... Moreover our marriage certificates and all other paperworks show that we are legally married, if you are not divorced you cannot married and get the marriage certificate. Am I wrong ? So I am insist on my situation. It depends on IO mood and experience to understand and decide with the documents which they have. For instance : who brings the Engage ring receipt as an evidence. we got a wedding ring rfe in the list. Of course we have the receipt but we found luckly in the folder because we collect all invoices for tax returns. Anyway we will see the process from now on. I believe that after these RFEs result will be good, but the process is nervous...
        If I were you, instead of judging what IO asked on the list I would work my a.. off to collect all docs. People print out 200 pages of pictures. 100 pages of texts is nothing to print out since that's the only way for you to proof your relationship started off as friends then lead to the marriage. Especially if you and your wife are both Turkish, probably IO needs extra proof. It is not a joke at this point. I wouldn't underestimate the requests and send them a file on top of line. I haven't seen anyone getting RFE after the interview so IO must have serious doubts about your marriage. I am not trying to put you down but trying to urge you to prepare the file in the best way possible.

        Bol Sans!!
        Marriage-based AOS - Concurrent filing.
        03/27-2018 AOS package sent to Chicago Lockbox.
        03/30- confirmation of delivery to USCIS.
        04/11- Four Email/Text notifications
        04/11- cheques cashed
        04/27- Biometrics appointment received.
        04/27-Courtesy Letter-I-693
        05/02- Biometrics walk-in
        08/01- I-765 New Card being produced
        08/03- We approved your case; I-765 & I-131
        08/08-Combo Card received

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Gokhan View Post
          I exactly write down the RFEs in order. So of course IO is doing his/her job. But the confusing thing how can I send all messages, it is almost 100 page it is weird to translate everything... I am just trying to get some valuable suggestion for now. I do not want to dispute whoever here. We also replied everything clear. Now we have 6 affidavit and all ******** page screenshots, and all bills, insurances policies. And just a question : If she does not divorce how can she change her surname, how can we get married and how we complete all legal paperworks here, w2 etc... Moreover our marriage certificates and all other paperworks show that we are legally married, if you are not divorced you cannot married and get the marriage certificate. Am I wrong ? So I am insist on my situation. It depends on IO mood and experience to understand and decide with the documents which they have. For instance : who brings the Engage ring receipt as an evidence. we got a wedding ring rfe in the list. Of course we have the receipt but we found luckly in the folder because we collect all invoices for tax returns. Anyway we will see the process from now on. I believe that after these RFEs result will be good, but the process is nervous...
          No one is arguing with you. We just want you to get your Green Card. You have to get creative. NOIDs (Notice of Intent to Deny) usually follow incomplete responses to RFEs. So put on your thinking cap, and get it done. I am getting the sense that maybe

          - ********; here is a link to a blog that explains how to print all ******** messages. http://www.benschersten.com/blog/201...********-chat/ Here is another link https://en.softonic.com/articles/how...****-messenger that explains how to use googletranslate to instantly translate within ******** and ******** messenger.

          - For text messages, use iExplorer. I posted a link for you on my previous entry.

          - The divorce occurred. That's not the issue. The certified copy that you got from the court is invalid, because the clerk did not sign it. So you have to request one and make sure that the copy is certified. My divorce was finalized in Florida, and all the decrees, court history, all of it is available online. I requested expedited processing - for no reason, really- and got it in the mail within a few days.

          - It is in your best interest to spend the time to meticulously craft a Table of Contents. As b3b3g1 wisely said - one the one hand, the ISO has doubts that your marriage is valid, because you did not present proof that the previous marriage was finalized. On the other hand, you did not provide concrete evidence of bona fide marriage.

          - I would make sure that you get an advance health care directive, and get it notarized. I would also get a will that outlines who gets what if either one of you passes away. I would also submit notarized affidavits of residence.

          - I would use the receipt + photo method. Find receipts that you can connect to events in your relationship. By the way, we submitted the receipt of our wedding bands, we also submitted the receipt of our first meal as a married couple. It was a Starbucks receipt. Pictures are fine but without receipts to back them up, they're not considered concrete evidence that you were where you claim you were.

          - The affidavits that your friends submit should mention specific dates and if they have receipts, or text messages to back up their affidavit, then they should include them, too. The affidavits must be notarized at this point. You do not want the ISO wondering if YOU wrote them yourself. Getting them notarized eliminates that possibility.

          Immigration Services Officers have a LOT of discretion. If your ISO gets the impression that your marriage is not real, know that they have a lot of discretion. Your case elicits discretion and administrative grace. Adjustment of status for spouses of US citizens is in fact an exception - so to speak. Sure, it happens often. However, that does not strip the fact that it is an exception.

          All the best,

          USCFFS

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          • #20
            Great advice below. My apologies a bit your posts are somewhat confusing.

            We now see that the numbered list in your other post is actually from the IO RFE and NOT what you presented at your interview. So the IO is giving you a chance to provide everything they typically would consider as evidence that is good news and as mentioned you can knock each one by one off and organize to make all sense this go around.

            The numbered list also seems a bit generic, as in the IO did not feel like highlighting specific things but instead just pasted their usual list of what they consider in bonafide evidence cases.

            Again sometimes the RFEs are generic sometimes they are exact to what is missing in the IO's mind. I think the IO by giving a more generic list here is giving you a chance to add all the evidence you did not present first go around that is rather nice of them.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by cali2018 View Post
              Great advice below. My apologies a bit your posts are somewhat confusing.

              We now see that the numbered list in your other post is actually from the IO RFE and NOT what you presented at your interview. So the IO is giving you a chance to provide everything they typically would consider as evidence that is good news and as mentioned you can knock each one by one off and organize to make all sense this go around.

              The numbered list also seems a bit generic, as in the IO did not feel like highlighting specific things but instead just pasted their usual list of what they consider in bonafide evidence cases.

              Again sometimes the RFEs are generic sometimes they are exact to what is missing in the IO's mind. I think the IO by giving a more generic list here is giving you a chance to add all the evidence you did not present first go around that is rather nice of them.
              I agree with Cali2018. OP should take advantage of this RFE and pad the case with evidence all around. Even if they didn't ask for an advance directive, I think that OP should just include one. Must be notarized.

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              • #22
                Folder is done !

                - Sworn affidavits from others with personal knowledge of the validity of the marriage. Each affidavit must have the full name, address, and date and place of birth of the person making the statement. It must also include his or her relationship, if any, to one or both spouses. Each affidavit must have complete information and details explanening how the person knows about the marriage. Each person making an affidavit may be required to testify before an immigration officer about the information of affidavit. Affidavits should be supported, if possible, by one or more documents listed above as possible evidence;

                we already competed all documents and have 15 affiant, 5 of them neighbor, 7 of them friends 1 of them co-worker, 2 of them family. https://www.us-immigration.com/blog/...tion-marriage/ here also I read carefully and it says that it should not have to be notarized. It is also not easy to move people to notary.

                - proof of your mutual communications through ******** and ******** or any other social sites :

                The folder is done all documents are listed step by step and completed. thank you for the links how to copy the messages etc. I also checked the links before that you shared how I can copy and save the messages. I completed that processes too but it is not easy to 100 pages conversation translate, also I do not think that they wonder what we talked about, they just want to see if we contacted via this social networks or not. The dates are also obviously seen on the screenshots.

                - receipt of an engagement ring purchased from .... Store

                Copy of the ring receipt and certificate of the diamond too, and the email from a business contact who congratulate me because he heard from mutual friend that I am going to shopping for ring and planning to go Vegas.

                - Travel itineraries

                done


                - Dissolution from clerk which is stamped

                done.

                - tax return

                done

                - any other evidence in support of your claimed relationship

                photos, ******** screenshots (73 pages), instegram screenshots, photos with family, travel ticket to check houses to buy in different state, etc.


                That s all.

                Thank you for your helps.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Gokhan View Post
                  - Sworn affidavits from others with personal knowledge of the validity of the marriage. Each affidavit must have the full name, address, and date and place of birth of the person making the statement. It must also include his or her relationship, if any, to one or both spouses. Each affidavit must have complete information and details explanening how the person knows about the marriage. Each person making an affidavit may be required to testify before an immigration officer about the information of affidavit. Affidavits should be supported, if possible, by one or more documents listed above as possible evidence;

                  we already competed all documents and have 15 affiant, 5 of them neighbor, 7 of them friends 1 of them co-worker, 2 of them family. https://www.us-immigration.com/blog/...tion-marriage/ here also I read carefully and it says that it should not have to be notarized. It is also not easy to move people to notary.

                  - proof of your mutual communications through ******** and ******** or any other social sites :

                  The folder is done all documents are listed step by step and completed. thank you for the links how to copy the messages etc. I also checked the links before that you shared how I can copy and save the messages. I completed that processes too but it is not easy to 100 pages conversation translate, also I do not think that they wonder what we talked about, they just want to see if we contacted via this social networks or not. The dates are also obviously seen on the screenshots.

                  - receipt of an engagement ring purchased from .... Store

                  Copy of the ring receipt and certificate of the diamond too, and the email from a business contact who congratulate me because he heard from mutual friend that I am going to shopping for ring and planning to go Vegas.

                  - Travel itineraries

                  done


                  - Dissolution from clerk which is stamped

                  done.

                  - tax return

                  done

                  - any other evidence in support of your claimed relationship

                  photos, ******** screenshots (73 pages), instegram screenshots, photos with family, travel ticket to check houses to buy in different state, etc.


                  That s all.

                  Thank you for your helps.
                  That looks fine, I guess. You didn't focus on CONCRETE evidence of bona fide marriage. You limited your list to the items listed on the RFE. However, "any other evidence in support of your claimed relationship" means that you can submit more and I would take advantage of that to submit CONCRETE evidence of bona fide marriage.
                  - Show how you commingle and what you commingle. Describe transactions.
                  - Advance health care directives + financial power of attorneys.

                  To be clear, if you need to drag each neighbor to UPS to have the affidavits notarized, then that's what you do. That's best evidence. Then there is no questions of WHO wrote the affidavit. USCIS expressed serious concerns on the validity of your marriage and the ISO also didn't think your marriage is real. So I don't know, I guess I would do everything in my power to show CONCRETE proof of bona fide marriage; i.e., financial commingling, will, financial power of attorney, advance health care directive.

                  Here you go. https://www.immihelp.com/forum/showt...interview-tips
                  Last edited by UScitizenFilingforspouse; 09-11-2018, 04:48 PM.

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                  • #24
                    "Sworn" = Notarized...Come on. 500 non-notarized affidavits is the same as 5 non-notarized affidavits. If it is tough to get everyone to notarize, much like my friends I gave up after two then you can do other things as mentioned. The other things as mentioned, wills/financial is more important truly.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by cali2018 View Post
                      "Sworn" = Notarized...Come on. 500 non-notarized affidavits is the same as 5 non-notarized affidavits. If it is tough to get everyone to notarize, much like my friends I gave up after two then you can do other things as mentioned. The other things as mentioned, wills/financial is more important truly.
                      Right. Those are exactly my thoughts on that. It is tough to get people to notarize an affidavit. That's another reason they're best evidence. There's a witness that you did in fact sign it and that witness confirmed your identity.

                      I would definitely focus on wills/health directive/financial power of attorney.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Gokhan View Post

                        - any other evidence in support of your claimed relationship

                        photos, ******** screenshots (73 pages), instegram screenshots, photos with family, travel ticket to check houses to buy in different state, etc.


                        Thank you for your helps.
                        During the interview they asked me for the join account statements and if we have personals accounts, I also gave her those. In my personal bank statement I highlighted the city where all the purchases were done in the area where I live (almost all). In his bank statement I highlighted that he pay the cellphone company and car insurance, I also give her the first cellphone statement where he add me to his bill and the last one and the car insurance company with both of our names. I also gave her the copy of the health insurance card with both of our names. By the way I'm not in any utility bill. I also give a copy of the anniversary card.
                        I think she liked that we have airplanes tickets and concert tickets as a proof of future plans.
                        During the interview remember all the I485 dates, she literally asked all the form.

                        I was not approved in the spot but yesterday we got the approval letters
                        C9 Married to USC AOS (I-130,I485,I-765) DC office
                        10/27/2017 PD
                        11/08/2017 I-797 (3)
                        12/07/2017 Biometric Walk in
                        05/17/2018 RFE form I-485 (requesting tax returns 2017)
                        06/18/2018 I-693 courtesy letter
                        06/20/2018 Email "Case is ready to be scheduled for interview"
                        07/08/2018 EAD card in production
                        07/16/2018 EAD in hand
                        07/31/2018 Interview scheduled
                        09/06/2018 Interview
                        09/11/2018 Letter of approval

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                        • #27
                          Just wanted to clarify what I mean by "best evidence". Affidavits carry the least weight on scale. If evidence of commingling of finances is lacking, and/or weak, then affidavits are an option. Notarized affidavits require that a notary verifies the identity of the person signing it. Sworn affidavits do not. They're just sworn. Therefore, within the affidavit category, notarized affidavits are "best evidence".

                          We did not submit any affidavits, and probably won't. Every case is different.

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