N-600K Naturalization under Section 322 in the INA

[Sal1971]

Hi to everyone, nice site, good answers and good help, these are the qualities serve on the forums and here I've seen them all.

I want to tell my story.
I found this law because an American friend was doing the procedure "Report of birth abroad" but after going to the USA embassy she view the present clause of two years of residence after 14 years old... . rule really strange.
When she was about to leave, the call her back asking if her father was an American citizen, but she answered no, they salute her. After telling me this, 17 December 2014, I immediately started to do research on the websites of the embassies but there was no explanation, so I call 3 of the US embassy (in my country there are 5 Embassy) for clarification but they say to contact USCIS in America, but on their US site there are not email or phone number for call them from another coutry.
I find that in my country there is' a USCIS office, I send an email and told me that for N-600K they tell me that can not do anything, onIy that I have to send documents to Phoenix and then wait for the interview, WoWWW great "Help".
From American citizen I felt abandoned !!
Then I find many forums on N600K, all old information dating from 2011 - 2012 no one else who talks about how turned out the end.

I have all the documents ready, just that my dad does not find his "Certificate as a Citizen", I only have his US passport.
Also as proof of his residence in the US, I have his Social Security statment, but there are not written the days of residence but only the year with its income (36 years), then I have his letter of payment of his retirement of work.

Here are some questions:
It’s okay as documents proving he was in the US for more than 5 years (36 years) or a need more documents ?? It's Enough??
It true that if something is wrong i loss my fee of $. 600.00 ?? ( $ 1.200 i doing it for 2 children)

For now I close here, I hope that everything goes well, so I want to tell my whole story on the website to help other people learn about this law.
to be continued .................

I thank you from now ... please answer ..... surely I'll have a few more question for you ...

Thank You !!!
Sal

[rayb]

Sal,

The problem you may be experiencing in getting straight answers from U.S. government agencies is that derivative citizenship is based on the regulations in effect when you were born.

If you utilize the N-600K and it is denied, you will forfeit your $600 fee.

In my experience, you must be in the U.S. with a visitor visa (or other nonimmigrant visa type) to claim derivative citizenship. It cannot be done from abroad if you cannot prove your U.S. citizen father had at least 5 years in the U.S. before a threshold age.

--Ray B

Hi to everyone, nice site, good answers and good help, these are the qualities serve on the forums and here I've seen them all.

I want to tell my story.
I found this law because an American friend was doing the procedure "Report of birth abroad" but after going to the USA embassy she view the present clause of two years of residence after 14 years old... . rule really strange.
When she was about to leave, the call her back asking if her father was an American citizen, but she answered no, they salute her. After telling me this, 17 December 2014, I immediately started to do research on the websites of the embassies but there was no explanation, so I call 3 of the US embassy (in my country there are 5 Embassy) for clarification but they say to contact USCIS in America, but on their US site there are not email or phone number for call them from another coutry.
I find that in my country there is' a USCIS office, I send an email and told me that for N-600K they tell me that can not do anything, onIy that I have to send documents to Phoenix and then wait for the interview, WoWWW great "Help".
From American citizen I felt abandoned !!
Then I find many forums on N600K, all old information dating from 2011 - 2012 no one else who talks about how turned out the end.

I have all the documents ready, just that my dad does not find his "Certificate as a Citizen", I only have his US passport.
Also as proof of his residence in the US, I have his Social Security statment, but there are not written the days of residence but only the year with its income (36 years), then I have his letter of payment of his retirement of work.

Here are some questions:
It’s okay as documents proving he was in the US for more than 5 years (36 years) or a need more documents ?? It's Enough??
It true that if something is wrong i loss my fee of $. 600.00 ?? ( $ 1.200 i doing it for 2 children)

For now I close here, I hope that everything goes well, so I want to tell my whole story on the website to help other people learn about this law.
to be continued .................

I thank you from now ... please answer ..... surely I'll have a few more question for you ...

Thank You !!!
Sal

[Sal1971]

Thanks for the replies about fee.

For my citizenship (father) and grandfather are ok, we are both Americans citizens... we wanted to pass citizenship to my two children (6 years and 11 years) I can not do it, then I use those five years to prove with the grandfather children.
For the evidence I have only the "Social Security statment" and Socual Security retirement from work.
Other people tell me to find other evidence ...
I have two licenses expired, some tax income from 2004 to 2008 ..... I feel better if had the Record of work whit days and years, he works for 36 years...
Can you ell me what other evidence could I use ??
Another important thing of these evidence, must be five years of his grandfather before the births of grandchildren ??

[rayb]

The Social Security statements will probably not satisfy the USCIS requirement for proof of living in the U.S. for a specified period of time.

If in the U.S. with a legal visa, the children would more easily obtain proof of derivative citizenship.

--Ray B

Thanks for the replies about fee.

For my citizenship (father) and grandfather are ok, we are both Americans citizens... we wanted to pass citizenship to my two children (6 years and 11 years) I can not do it, then I use those five years to prove with the grandfather children.
For the evidence I have only the "Social Security statment" and Socual Security retirement from work.
Other people tell me to find other evidence ...
I have two licenses expired, some tax income from 2004 to 2008 ..... I feel better if had the Record of work whit days and years, he works for 36 years...
Can you ell me what other evidence could I use ??
Another important thing of these evidence, must be five years of his grandfather before the births of grandchildren ??

[Sal1971]

Ok... i had more information regards the documents to prove to his grandfather really lived in usa

Evidence of your father's (your children's grandfather) physical presence in the USA can take
- The form of high school and university transcripts;
- military honorable discharge showing dates of service;
- Social Security Earning Statement;
- IRS W-2 forms, employers letters or certificates, salary slips;
- bank records (checking account statements), credit card statements;
- previous passports with stamps.
You can also use photographs and affidavits or any other document showing physical presence.
However, you will definitely need to prove your and your father's US citizenship either with a birth certificate,
naturalization document, certificate of citizenship or US passport.

I also had the information they are presenting a petition to make more easy, to give citizenship, to children born abroad and also adopted by a single parent USA. Cause all children have the right to have the citizenship without many clauses.

I'll tell you more forward, to get more updates.....

[da15]

The Social Security statements will probably not satisfy the USCIS requirement for proof of living in the U.S. for a specified period of time.

If in the U.S. with a legal visa, the children would more easily obtain proof of derivative citizenship.

--Ray B

How do you mean? By using N-600K or another process?

[Vasileios]

evidence- is it enough?

Hi there,
i would really appreciate if you can tell me whether the documents i have are adequate to prove my father's physical presence in USA for the required 5 years.
I have..
1. certified petition for naturalization, whch has his alien registration number, the stamp ''approved'', and the number of the certificate of naturalization issued
2. certified copy of social security quaterly earnings statement (1966-1977)
3. certificate of residency from the city of boston (1966-1977)
4. property tax records from the city of boston, which demonstrate that he was billed for property that he owned.
5. a copy of a deed by which he bought a house in boston
6. greek passport which shows that he entered usa in 1966 and never left- usa passport stamped in 1977 when he left the usa and all passports he has.

Do you think that the above mentioned evidence is enough???

At the present moment i am waiting
- a copy of his certificate of naturalization from uscis
- a copy of his first passport application

I would apprecite what you think about my chances to get us citizenship for my kids based on the information i give!

[Sal1971]

I to prove 35 years of residency, I just had to ask: Statmentof Earnings "Certified" as proof of residence "Physical presence",
Form SSA-7050-F4 it cost me $. 192,00.
Iven: Copies of some drive licenses,
copie of Certificate of marriage,
copies of tax returns some IT-201,
copies of some W2 Earnings Summary.
And I hope it goes well.


PS: We i go to the local office USCIS in my country, after they put the number of social security of my father (the grandfather of the child) in the computer,
the officer told me that they know everything.

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Hi there,
i would really appreciate if you can tell me whether the documents i have are adequate to prove my father's physical presence in USA for the required 5 years.
I have..
1. certified petition for naturalization, whch has his alien registration number, the stamp ''approved'', and the number of the certificate of naturalization issued
2. certified copy of social security quaterly earnings statement (1966-1977)
3. certificate of residency from the city of boston (1966-1977)
4. property tax records from the city of boston, which demonstrate that he was billed for property that he owned.
5. a copy of a deed by which he bought a house in boston
6. greek passport which shows that he entered usa in 1966 and never left- usa passport stamped in 1977 when he left the usa and all passports he has.

Do you think that the above mentioned evidence is enough???

At the present moment i am waiting
- a copy of his certificate of naturalization from uscis
- a copy of his first passport application

I would apprecite what you think about my chances to get us citizenship for my kids based on the information i give!

[Sal1971]

Hi, Vasileios, I think you're ok for documents, better than I, my father(the grandfather) lost his certificate and I would not ask for a duplicate also reasons of time.
I did renew his passport, I also have old passports from 1989/1999, 1999/2009 to 2016/2026 today. So they would have the proof that my father is US citizen since 1989. I also went to the offices of USCIS in my country, and I was given all the data of the Naturalization Certificate, Place of Naturalization, date of Naturalization, Certificate nunber, A -nunber that i put on the form N600K. What you say may be enough ??

I called yesterday at USCIS in USA number 18003755283, they have told me that "I have to follow the instructions," nice answer.
Here what istructions says on page 3:
""Proof of U.S. Citizenship of Qualifying Parent or Grandparent.
Examples of this are a U.S. birth certificate;
Form N-550, Certificate of Naturalization; Form N-560
Certificate of Citizenship; Form FS-240, Report of Birth
Abroad of United States Citizen; or a valid unexpired U.S.
passport.
NOTE:
A passport must have been issued prior to your birth
if it is being provided as proof of U.S. citizenship. You must
provide additional documents including birth certificate or
naturalization certificate as evidence that your parent was a
U.S. citizen at the time of your birth if the passport was issued
after your birth. ""
It is confusion, before it's speaking of the parent and grandparent,but in the note "A passport must be issued prior your birth if it is being provided as proof of U.S. citizenship" instead speaks only of the parent, I'm okay I have all the documents. Here someone has had this experience and tell me that everything went ok.
Or after you have sent all the documents with payments, they will seek me the same the duplicate of the "Certificate of Naturalizazione", which in addition cost of $. 345,00, it takes a long time for the county of New York ???
Thank to all

[Vasileios]

Just want to be sure about something:
I want to file for my two kids, using my father's us citizenship. Yet there is something that worries me:
My father's last us passport expired in 1997( I have kept it, in very good condition, I damaged)
He did not renew it and
He died in 2008.
I have a "Consular Report of death abroad" for my father . I assume that although he did not renew his us passport he will be regarded as a us citizen, because he never renounced it and the consular report of death abroad testifies that evidence for us citizenship is his last us passport.
In your opinion, will I encounter any problems with my father's us citizenship?
Many thanks!

Ps . I do not have his certificate of naturalization/ citizenship. I wait them from uscis via a foia request.